tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19733180.post2464210502986124756..comments2024-03-24T07:56:33.811-05:00Comments on Allan R. Bevere: The Lord's Supper-- Real Presence Or Symbolic? Or...?Allan R. Beverehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07903011101108437513noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19733180.post-7215918217779372962011-01-29T13:39:42.094-05:002011-01-29T13:39:42.094-05:00Let me rephrase my previous comment: Calvin and We...Let me rephrase my previous comment: Calvin and Wesley held similar views on the Lord's Supper. Their followers have not always followed them on this.Allan R. Beverehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07903011101108437513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19733180.post-36533819800293378922011-01-29T13:38:03.272-05:002011-01-29T13:38:03.272-05:00Doug,
Historically, Calvinists and Wesleyans have...Doug,<br /><br />Historically, Calvinists and Wesleyans have held similar views on the Lord's Supper.Allan R. Beverehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07903011101108437513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19733180.post-63218858138520700472011-01-29T12:33:24.786-05:002011-01-29T12:33:24.786-05:00I didn't mention Wesley either.
I think I mad...I didn't mention Wesley either.<br /><br />I think I made my point sufficiently.Allan R. Beverehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07903011101108437513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19733180.post-18082055044083868532011-01-29T12:03:21.115-05:002011-01-29T12:03:21.115-05:00Yet, you don't even mention him and his insigh...Yet, you don't even mention him and his insights concerning the sacrament in your post.Dim Lamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10272261331424170492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19733180.post-21930229731172473552011-01-29T07:07:07.357-05:002011-01-29T07:07:07.357-05:00Dim,
I've read Luther.Dim,<br /><br />I've read Luther.Allan R. Beverehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07903011101108437513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19733180.post-91530533629152360582011-01-29T05:39:58.091-05:002011-01-29T05:39:58.091-05:00Allan: What you argue here sounds to me very much ...Allan: What you argue here sounds to me very much like the Reformed view, going back to Calvin: a denial of transubstantiation or consubstantiation, but also denial of a Zwinglian view that understands the sacrament as only a memorial or symbol. <br /><br />Presbyterians understand Christ's "real, spiritual" presence to be in the sacrament. The emphasis is that Christ is encountered in a unique way, grace is experienced individually and communally in a unique way. <br /><br />The point Reformed theology (at its best) wants to address is not so much "how is Christ present" in the meal, but more "how does a sinner like me get welcomed to a meal with Christ?"... and the answer is "by God's Grace alone."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19733180.post-4729404020019079772011-01-29T01:13:40.963-05:002011-01-29T01:13:40.963-05:00You need to read Luther!You need to read Luther!Dim Lamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10272261331424170492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19733180.post-37426631548439284242011-01-28T11:59:57.252-05:002011-01-28T11:59:57.252-05:00I stumbled across your blog this AM, while researc...I stumbled across your blog this AM, while researching the topic for a paper...you make very cogent points for both ends of the spectrum...It fascinates me that some non-Catholic fundamentalist Christians can take very literally some of Christ's words (i.e. Mk.16:18...They will pick up serpents...) but cannot accept "This is my body..." If Jesus transferred the power and authority to the Apostles (our first Bishops, per say) to baptize, heal, pick up serpents, etc. why would he not give them the power to bring forth His body through transubstantiation? In the same way, a baptized person looks the same, but is changed or transubstantiated...<br /><br />Food for thought? No pun intended...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19733180.post-7291541119846836932011-01-28T09:53:59.908-05:002011-01-28T09:53:59.908-05:00Lord, enthroned in heavenly splendor,
first begott...Lord, enthroned in heavenly splendor,<br />first begotten from the dead.<br />Thou alone, our strong defender,<br />liftest up thy people’s head.<br />Alleluia! Alleluia! Alleluia!<br />Jesus, true and living bread!<br />Jesus, true and living bread!<br /><br />Here our humblest homage pay we,<br />here in loving reverence bow;<br />here for faith’s discernment pray we<br />lest we fail to know thee now.<br />Alleluia! Alleluia! Alleluia<br /><b>Thou are here, we ask not how.<br />Thou are here, we ask not how.<br /></b><br /><br />Though the lowliest form doth veil thee<br />as of old in Bethlehem,<br />here as there thine angels hail thee,<br />branch and flower of Jesse’s stem.<br />Alleluia! Alleluia! Alleluia!<br />We in worship join with them.<br />We in worship join with them.<br /><br />Paschal Lamb, thine offering,<br />finished once for all when thou was slain,<br />in its fullness undiminished <br />shall for ever more remain.<br />Alleluia! Alleluia! Alleluia!<br />Cleansing us from every stain.<br />Cleansing us from every stain.<br /><br />Life imparting heavenly Manna,<br />smitten Rock with streaming side,<br />heaven and earth with loud hosanna<br />worship thee, the Lamb who died.<br />Alleluia! Alleluia! Alleluia!<br />Risen, ascended, glorified!<br />Risen, ascended, glorified!<br /><br />Words:George Hugh Bourne (1840-1925), <br /><br />===<br /><br />Hugh Bourne was one of the founders of Primitive Methodism in the UK.<br /><br />I go with the theology: "Thou art here, we ask not how."PamBGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11324370506889227234noreply@blogger.com