from Michael Bird:___
The cross is penal, don't believe me, consider this: "For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit" (Rom 8:3-4 NIV).
The cross is substitutionary, don't believe me: read this: "'He himself bore our sins' in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; 'by his wounds you have been healed.'" (1 Pet 2:24 NIV).
Look, I know that penal substitution can be presented woefully and inadequately, whereby God gets revenge on Jesus for your sins, so you better buy some fire insurance, otherwise you will roast forever in the deity's dumpster of destruction. I would even be prepared to say that penal substitionary is not the primary descriptor for the atonement, it is at best a major part of the mosaic that is the atonement.... However, there is no possible way I can stupefy my mind to deny what these few texts are saying. Now, if you want to say, well, the NT authors are just wrong, and I think Peter Abelard, Hastings Rashdall, and Tony Jones know better, then fine, go for it. But don't draw a circle on the board and tell me to call it a square!
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For what the law could not do in making us perfect due to the weakness of our sinful flesh, God did, by sending His own Son as mortal to be a sin offering, putting to death the devoted desire of sin within us, when by His unblemished blood as a ransom price offered to Father, destroyed the power of Satan by redeeming us from sinful bondage.
Sin was put to death in THE flesh, who's flesh? Our flesh provisioned in what Yeshua's voluntary offering of His unblemished blood would accomplish.
Yeshua being separate from sinners, being tempted yet without sin, knowing no sin nor sin being in him ,is in no way taught within scripture that he became a sinner(blemished) by substitution to then offer himself as a blemished offering to Father! Nor that sin dwelled in Him to put to death Yeshua by Father as a sinner!
He who knew no sin became a sin offering, what the law could not do due to our enslavement to sin, God did by sending His son to release us from that enslavement that God can bring us to devoted obedience thus fulfilling the righteous requirements of the Law in Yeshua.
Yeshua became a curse in the sense he voluntarily endured reproach and hostility from sinners despising the shame of how He died knowing full well the greater goal of His suffering that would redeem many from the curse of the Law
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